Other stories about the beginning of times

In the previous chapter we discussed that in certain cultures people talked about the beginning of time about gods who actually are not creators but created beings! These gods do not exist forever but found somewhere a beginning and their genesis is usually contained in stories. In those stories we can see that their ‘agents’ themselves are not real gods, but rather the “substance” from which they arose: a primordial sea, a primary principle, a primal matter.

This way of thinking whereby that once the gods appear on the scene, those rudimentary elements resigning or going back to the the foundation of the cosmos (the ordered world) are not exclusive to the times of Mesopotamia. One can also find Oriental beliefs that sometimes speak of a primitive or rudimentary egg. When the egg bursts there comes a god out of it who makes the halves of the eggshell until heaven and earth.

Many scientists think that the universe came to being by a big bang but a year after the break through discovery, proving the “Big Bang,” astronomers have now retracted their claims and admitted that the findings were not proof of the Big Bang after all.

By the Greeks all began with “Chaos” (disordered); here is how the “Earth” and the “Abyss” and “Love” started to come to existence. In the Bible there is also indicated that all began out of disorder or chaos in a “foreign” or “empty” space, the void. By the Greeks the Earth brought ‘Heaven‘ and ‘Sea‘ in the picture. From the marriage of Heaven and Earth arose ‘Time‘. In a next generation arose then finally the actual gods who drove their predecessors away and took over the government. Again we see that the origin is at deified concepts, partly abstract nature and partly primeval matter. It is only later in the development that the gods become worshipped. As mentioned earlier, these gods themselves are not creators. They also do not appear to have everything, to be all connoisseurs or to have all power. The rule has been obtained through struggle.

Also in the Norwegian-Germanic mythology we can find such elements. As in the Greco-Roman mythology we find in the background something like a fate that ultimately determines the course of history and the fate of creation and creatures, which even the gods can not escape.

To the left the armed Oden (Odin), in the midd...

To the left the armed Oden (Odin), in the middle Tor (Thor) and to the right a god of the Byzantium. A dog is sleeping in the background. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

All these stories breath the spirit of a speculative thinking human. Man sets himself gods as himself, only better or more powerful. As he has a beginning, the gods also need to have a beginning. And if he tries to think further back he comes to face primeval concepts, rudimentary abstractions that are not really beings.

The gods must conquer their rule, sometimes by wiles. They are, as in the most primitive animism (the belief that all the places and things in nature can be considered as inspired by “spirits”), still connected to nature concepts such as sky, sea, earth, storm, earthquake, etc. Only they now rule on that, or do they use these natural phenomena instead of being those things. This also explains their plurality. So there is no essential difference between such views and a primitive nature religion. there is offered to us no real explanation for how and why the creation of the world happened. The stories of the gods do not explain really, life on earth and the purpose thereof, or the measures we need to build. And that is still the case. Although the religious thinking outside the Bible has freed itself further and further from nature, it has not fundamentally changed. This is because the whole is based on speculative thinking.


Preceding article: Creation Creator and Creation

a Dutch version: Gods vergeten Woord 11 Schepping 3 Andere ontstaansverhalen


Additional reading:

  1. Are Science and the Bible Compatible?
  2. Science and Religion Harmonized (Once and For All…)
  3. Blackness, nothingness, something, void
  4. “Before” and “after” the Big Bang
  5. Creation of the earth out of something
  6. The very very beginning 1 Creating Gods
  7. The very very beginning 2 The Word and words
  8. The World framed by the Word of God
  9. Genesis – Story of creation 1 Genesis 1:1-25 Creation of thing
  10. Genesis 1:26 God said “Let us make”
  11. How Many Persons Created the Heavens and the Earth?
  12. Scripture about Creation and Creator Deity
  13. Trusting, Faith, calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #3 Voice of God #1 Creator and His Prophets
  14. Creation Creator and Creation
  15. God, the Father, the Sole Creator of Heaven and Earth
  16. A viewpoint on creation
  17. Creator and Blogger God 1 Emptiness and mouvement
  18. Creator and Blogger God 2 Image and likeness
  19. Cosmos creator and human destiny
  20. Cosmogony
  21. Creation gift of God


  • Where Did the Big Bang Happen? (universetoday.com)
    There’s no exact spot that the Big Bang happened. In fact, the Big Bang happened everywhere in the Universe. The problem generally comes from the term “Big Bang”. It brings to mind explosions, detonations, balloons being popped, and everything being blown out to chickenbasket hades. It’s too bad for us regular folk, this isn’t a good descriptive term for what the Big Bang was.

    So I’m going to propose a new term, and just use it from here on out, and pretend like it was always this way. So, from here on out, I’m going to call it the Big Stretch, and by that I mean I’ve always called it the Big Stretch, and for those of you familiar with this type of retconning, the chocolate ration is being increased from 40 grams to 25 grams.

  • The Big Bang May Have Never Happened According to Quantum Equations (learning-mind.com)
    The words “Big Bang theory” came from the mind of astrophysicist Fred Hoyle as a joke. In actuality, Hoyle did not believe in the theory, but believed that everything existed just because it once existed before. This may seem confusing, but it simply means that the universe, according to Hoyle, was an endless loop – no beginning/no end. Contradictory evidence suggests that the Big Bang did happen. Traces of radiation seem to prove the universe originated from a single point in time. Although there are so many questions and loose ends, scientists for the most part see this theory as the best possible explanation for the universe. It is basically the most popular viewpoint, and could be just as plausible as any other idea.
  • China’s Arthur C. Clarke (newyorker.com)
    Last week, a team of astronomers at Peking University announced the discovery of a gigantic black hole with a mass equivalent to twelve billion suns. The black hole formed near the beginning of time, just nine hundred million years after the Big Bang. It’s twelve billion light years away, but, because the quasar surrounding it glows four hundred and twenty trillion times brighter than the sun, it’s still visible to telescopes on Earth. “How could we have this massive black hole when the universe was so young?” Xue-Bing Wu, the lead astronomer, asked, in a paper published in Nature. “We don’t currently have a satisfactory theory to explain it.”
  • One Hundred Years of Relativity (project-syndicate.org)

    This year marks the centenary of Albert Einstein’s general theory of relativity, his masterwork describing gravity as the curvature of space and time. Yet, as is often true in science, Einstein’s insights have provided physicists with as many questions as they have answered.

    Finding solutions that fulfill Einstein’s equations – space-times that describe the curvature of our universe – is difficult, so his theory was slow to catch on. Scientists carrying out early studies and the first crucial tests were forced to use approximations. It took decades to develop techniques to classify and derive new solutions. Today, however, many solutions are known, and other thorny problems, such as the gravitational field of two colliding stars, can be explored using computers to carry out the numerical calculations.

  • Big History and Big Bang Cosmology (goodnewsnow.wordpress.com)
    …the darkest darkness, once upon a time, and all of a sudden, it appears…

    From where, is my question?  I am satisfied with my answer but I do marvel at the mysteries surrounding how we got here too!

    Creation through Big Bang Cosmology

  • Particle jets reveal the secrets of the most exotic state of matter (sciencedaily.com)
    Immediately following the Big Bang and the formation of space-time, the Universe was filled with matter of extraordinary properties. Quarks and gluons, today only found bound within protons and neutrons, bounced about freely, comprising a homogenous ‘soup’. This exceptional state of matter, appearing only at temperatures of billions of degrees, has been recreated by physicists at the LHC accelerator by colliding heavy lead ions.

    Study of the quark-gluon plasma poses an enormous challenge. It appears only rarely during collisions, in extremely minute quantities, and then only for a fraction of a second. It immediately begins to expand under its own pressure, rapidly cools and transforms itself into an avalanche of ordinary particles. Modern physics has no tools at its disposal to directly observe quarks and gluons. We cannot simply proceed with the usual methods of measurement, like inserting a thermometer into the plasma and waiting a few minutes for the results. Much more refined methods are needed.


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